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Posted 2007-06-02 by Tony Walsh
Not too long ago, I intended to ban two long-time commentators here at Clickable Culture. I inadvertently deleted not only their accounts, but all record of their history on this blog. I then paid to have my web host restore the Clickable Culture database to an earlier state--the same morning I left for San Francisco for a week of work. I was unable to access the database all day yesterday, but this morning regained control.

The two commentators have had their posting privileges revoked, and dozens of their recent comments have been closed from public view. However, the vast majority of their history has been preserved. This is less a favor to them, and more a favor to my more constructive readers who might have been confused by the erasure.

As a result of the database rollback, several comments made late on May 31 and early on June 1 have been erased. Anyone who registered for an account during that time will have to register again. Sorry about that. Things should be hiccup-free henceforth.
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Comment posted by Ace Albion
June 4, 2007 @ 8:09 am
It was only really one topic that got ground up into quote wars between the two posters. If it wasn't for the latest posts sidebar, probably nobody but you and they would even have known about it.

I think the ban has closed off some opportunities for thought provoking discussion on CC, however abrasive sometimes the comments may be presented. I don't know if you said anything to the two people involved, maybe it would have helped? I understand that your blog means your rules, and you probably don't feel like playing the referee in a personal debate on your site, but there's also an increasing sense of "not interested in debate" coming to light here in other topics also.

If you were just "giving them enough rope to hang themselves" rather than stepping in, then maybe that makes you party to the "crapping up" of your blog comments, when some influence may have resulted in a more positive outcome for everyone?

I think it's all a big shame, that's all.
Comment posted by Ian Betteridge
June 4, 2007 @ 11:22 am
I've got into quote wars (good phrase, Ace!) with Prokofy before, and ultimately stopped posting for the sake of everyone else's sanity. I wish Csven - who's blog is well worth reading - had done the same.

Ace, I can't talk about Csven because I've never really argued with him - but obviously I can talk about Prokofy. It's all-too-tempting to post a long rant about her, but at the end of the day that would be pointless (and unproductive). Suffice to say: I'm not surprised that she's ended up banned. Threads in which she takes an interest tend to explode under the weight of her comments, which bludgeon everyone else with sheer numbers of words, repetition of slogans, and avoidance of any questions. Prokofy kills discussion, she doesn't enchance it.

And that was enough of a rant for me :)
Comment posted by Tony Walsh
June 5, 2007 @ 2:35 am
Ace, it wasn't just one quote-war, it was the latest in a history. I agree that banning is an unfortunate solution, however it's the one that works for me at this time. Thanks for your comments.
Comment posted by AndrewLinden
June 7, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
I see a pattern here. For some reason it makes me think of this almost pertinent demotivator:
Comment posted by AndrewLinden
June 10, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
Prok got on my case via IM for posting my comment above and called it 'unprofessional'. I must agree. It violates the pricipals I try to follow when posting anywhere: to only be helpful and informative -- the above post was neither.

Prok submits an alternative demotivator for the occasion:
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